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Navigating Life Transitions: Aligning Purpose with Authenticity || Dr Ashleigh Moreland

• Daniel & Alicia • Season 1 • Episode 28

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Dr. Ash Morland, the visionary behind the Remind Institute, returns to our podcast to illuminate how life's transitions can be navigated with purpose and intention. Have you ever questioned if your professional role truly aligns with your personal identity? Dr. Morland shares her journey from practitioner to business owner, offering insights on how to resist societal pressures and create a life that genuinely reflects your passions. Our discussion invites you to pause and reassess your current path, encouraging a shift towards a life that resonates with authenticity and fulfillment.

Engage with stories of unexpected conversations that reveal the profound impact of acknowledging and embracing our unique talents. From a mother adept at managing blended families to a scuba diver with artistic dreams, these narratives showcase the vitality that pursuing true passions can inject into our lives. We challenge the traditional markers of success, such as material wealth, and urge a reevaluation of what happiness and integrity truly mean. The episode underscores the significance of staying true to our innate abilities and pursuing paths that genuinely fulfill us.

We also venture into the complex interplay between spirituality, self-worth, and financial abundance. Dr. Morland provides a fresh perspective on reconciling spiritual values with the necessity of financial compensation, particularly in service-oriented professions. Learn how to overcome money mindset limitations and leverage wealth as a tool for positive change while staying aligned with your spiritual beliefs. Our conversation wraps up with a focus on shared vision and purpose, both personally and professionally, encouraging you to remain true to your path and balance life's practicalities with your spiritual and personal growth aspirations.

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Speaker 1:

They're all definitely recording right. Yep, okay, cool. How would you like me to introduce you, dr Ashley Morland, founder of Three Minded Street? That's exactly what I was going to do. Great Good, actually, you introduce.

Speaker 3:

No, you've got it.

Speaker 1:

Hello and welcome back to another episode of Synergy. We have Dr Ash Morland with us, the founder of Remind Institute. Thank you for being here again for the second time. I'm happy to be here again for the second time I had FOMO.

Speaker 3:

Last time I didn't get to sit in, so I'm pumped for today. I'm really excited, if you haven't listened to that episode.

Speaker 1:

Go back and listen to it, because I couldn't stop listening to it when I was editing it and doing all the things. I'm like, oh, this is so good. So thank you for that one.

Speaker 3:

That. So thank you for that one. That was good, but I feel like this one's going to be even better. What are you talking about today? Well, I guess the focus point of it is, um, finding your way with purpose.

Speaker 3:

You know, I feel I've had some conversations recently with some people and it you know, reality is probably a reflection of where I'm at. But the conversations that I'm having and seeing from some people is they're really having either a shift career-wise, whether it be in a job or a business, and they're actually packing up and moving states, or they're in that contemplation phase of what to do, how to do it. And I was really only I think it was yesterday I worked from the beach house and I thought you know what I'm going to do, a bit of a morning routine went, reflection when you pause and stop, and I think we're at this, the time of year now, where you know the whole uh, the new year's resolution is upon us and everybody's sort of putting that, those plans in place, and I think you know people start reflecting on where they're at. I guess my question for you what is it that you see with people in relation to losing their way?

Speaker 4:

It's such a powerful question, oh my gosh. And there's so many layers to the answer to it, because part of it is mental part of it's spiritual there's. I see people who end up almost having like a midlife crisis, but I don't know if you're noticing this, but it's happening earlier and younger, Are you guys seeing?

Speaker 3:

this yes, that resonates.

Speaker 4:

So what I'm finding is that people are having these almost existential crises where they're going. What am I doing? If this is life, I don't want it, and the really cool thing about that is that opens up the Pandora's box of how did I get here? And what I find is people have built a life based on the expectations that were formed of them, based on what they were good at, because we learned really early that praise equals worthiness, really early that praise equals worthiness, based on what they felt they needed to do to be well I just said worthy but to prove themselves. And I look at it and go, yeah, okay, that's so fascinating. And this was even for me in my own life.

Speaker 4:

I had this conversation yesterday in the practitioner therapy space, where people start a business because they think that that's the path. Okay, so I'm now a practitioner, I'm now a coach, I'm now a therapist. So I start my own business, I start advertising my services and I see clients. But at no point did anyone ever say do you know what it actually means to be a business owner? Do you know what it actually means to be a business owner? Do you know what that requires of you? That's a completely different hat. Being a business owner and being a practitioner are not the same thing they're different skills.

Speaker 4:

They're different requirements. It's a different identity and that was something. I went through a bit of an identity crisis this year because that was kind of me. I went from the university lecturer for 12 years. That was my whole identity, my significance, who I was, what I worked towards, to then becoming a practitioner, to then going. If I were to write the job ad for the CEO of my company, what would it?

Speaker 1:

what would it look like. What would it?

Speaker 4:

have because I wear the label of CEO. But am I a CEO? Don't necessarily feel that role from an internal and I wasn't behaving like it, I wasn't thinking like it, I wasn't making decisions like one, and so that was really quite profound, where I think people just fumble their way instead of be intentional about creating their way based upon what is really really burning in their heart, and so, in my experience, people almost have this moment where they've been doing life half asleep. That's what being unconscious means.

Speaker 4:

It literally means to not see sleep. That's what being unconscious means. It literally means to not to not see. They've been doing life half asleep, almost in the motions, in the rhythm of daily life, because that's who they are and that's what they do, but never really stopped and asked why and if I'm not doing this, then what would I be doing instead? And I have this conversation again and again and again, including with business owners who carry all the responsibilities of CEO but then go. But I want to be on the tools.

Speaker 4:

I want to be working with clients and it's like, okay, but what if you could co-create this life where you just did the things that lit you up and knew how to delegate, knew how to outsource, knew how to recruit people who could operate in their zone of genius, instead of thinking that our identity is found in a label or a job description or a role. And that's essentially what I see is when we sort of I use the word unbecome when we unbecome who?

Speaker 4:

we think, we are we think we had to become to be good enough to provide for our family to be worthy of I don't know mum and dad's approval to prove something and actually go well, if actually none of that mattered. And I really tuned into my spirit, I really just paid attention to when I'm tired physically, what's the thing that can bring me back to life? And all of a sudden you find that second wind of energy that just makes no sense. What's the thing where you can be energetic but even the thought of having to do it actually feels heavy on your spirit? And when you can really start to tune in and discern what are the things that are life-giving for me versus what are the things that are life-taking, you start to find your way yeah, I so like I'm loving this conversation.

Speaker 3:

I spoke to one of the team recently and we were toying with these ideas and I I said to him I'm like, imagine my words were this, imagine a life where you just constantly did what you feel you know. For me, that's true freedom, interesting. However, I also I guess my limiting belief on that is is that commercially viable?

Speaker 4:

Interesting. Also, you've got to think about the level of consciousness of the person who is feeling who's doing the? Feeling Because people at a very low level of consciousness will go. I don't feel like working. I sit on the couch and video game. And so to be led by feeling alone is possibly deceptive, whereas if you're being led by intuiting, if you're being led by that perception of, I guess, the spiritual promptings, almost completely different conversation the light up things.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, yeah as opposed to, because I think people misinterpret that feeling thing and be being like oh, just follow your heart. Yeah, well, my heart thinks all men are a-holes. Okay, maybe don't follow that, because you're following a wound yeah um. So as we elevate in our frequency and as we increase our own consciousness and our own evolution, then the congruency between what we feel versus what we're prompted gets closer.

Speaker 3:

But when we're in that those lower frequencies maybe operating from shame or fear or trauma, then we're going to feel a lot of things that are not necessarily accurate yes, and that is is what you're saying is that can then lead you to, I guess, escaping or running away from doing what you feel, because in that moment you feel like, I guess, escaping the current reality of what you're in, rather than being elevated to. I'm really drawn to this thing that I want to do. That lights me up, but I feel stuck in the current what is burning to say this.

Speaker 1:

I feel like there's another layer to this, though, of people don't understand that their purpose can be monetized yeah, okay because it's come a lot, come up a lot in our business group and the question always is I'm like but do you think that can be? Do you think that you can get paid for that? And they're like no. So there's like that limiting belief around the fact that the thing that they love doing and the thing that they really want to do, and they want to help people and they want to do all the things, yeah, but they believe, because that feels good to them, that they can't get paid for that yeah, it's so fascinating and it's so true, you know, my first husband, the father of my kids, was always a talented artist.

Speaker 4:

I knew him since we were really, really little. We went to the same high school and I remember like I don't know if you guys had it, but like a yearbook and kids would submit their artwork yeah, right so in the one year um he won and it was his artwork on the yearbook. And he was always so gifted and talented at art that to anyone else was like you're a freak.

Speaker 1:

You're so talented Like he's exceptional.

Speaker 4:

But it was so natural and so organic and so easy for him that he didn't think it was a gift, because he just thought anyone could?

Speaker 2:

just pick up a pen. Why can't you do that, yeah?

Speaker 4:

And so he had this whole entire life. He joined the army, he did all these things and then eventually he just started sitting down and doing more art. And now he's like this incredibly talented tattoo artist, Because one day he said to me can you actually not do that? And I said no.

Speaker 1:

Do you want to compare?

Speaker 3:

I was going to say give me a paper and pen and sit next to him. He'll realise he's got a gift.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, exactly, and this was this revelation for him to go? Could I actually get paid to just do? My art.

Speaker 4:

And I was like, yes, people would pay you a lot of money because you have a gift, and I think you're right're right in that that we take things for granted. And I had this conversation with a beautiful soul yesterday. I was saying off air that we've been so blessed and so fortunate that we've had people attracted to us that have just almost fallen out of straight from heaven with such a heart for serving the people who we serve and remind. And I was having this conversation with her and I said what are the things that you just organically, naturally, find yourself doing that you would think? I cannot believe someone's paying me to do this. Yeah, what an idiot. Yeah, I would do it for free and she's like.

Speaker 4:

I find myself constantly um responding to people who are really struggling in Facebook groups and forums. And I said awesome. Now tell me what are the things that you are constantly responding to. And she's like well, I've had multiple split families and I've overcome children with additional needs and this and this. And I said, yeah, exactly, children with additional needs and this and this.

Speaker 4:

And I said, yeah, exactly, so you're not coming off the back of, oh, I don't know, recovering from a car accident, say, because that hasn't been your lived experience your gift has been the things that you have embodied through the struggles of your own life, and you can serve humanity by sharing with them the wisdom and revelation that you've embodied. And she's like oh my gosh, I've never thought about it like that, but how powerful and profound is that.

Speaker 1:

Well, we were actually. I remember when we went out the other night and we spoke to that guy who was I'll tell the story anyway so we went out with some friends, for all three of our birthdays were in November, so we all celebrated. And then it's like another couple. We went out with some friends for, um, all of all three of our birthdays were in november, so we all celebrated. And then, um, it's like another couple, we went out, we're having dinner, we're having a good time. We went, we're like let's go into this um bar and we'll like, it's a really nice bar in melbourne. I can't remember what it was called. What was it called? Anyway, irrelevant, and we couldn't get in.

Speaker 1:

So we we ended up getting in, but what had happened is um we walked upstairs and they were like oh, we're only taking six tables of six, and there was four of us.

Speaker 3:

Can I just say that the store, the place is called Siglo. It's a cigar bar on a rooftop and his narrative is he never gets in.

Speaker 1:

Our friend.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, where he says I always get rejected from this place. Oh okay, but we'll try anyway. That was the narrative walk and I was like, oh Well, he says I'll always get rejected from this place. Oh okay, but we'll try anyway. Yeah, that was the narrative walk and I was like, oh, so curious.

Speaker 1:

I was like oh, we're getting in.

Speaker 3:

Yeah.

Speaker 1:

Anyway. So we walked upstairs and there was four of us and they said no, we're only taking tables of six. And he's like that's heaps weird. Like usually they're only taking small tables. I said to the guy okay, well, there's two people over there, can we just go? Together, sit together and he's like well, I'm like let me go. So I went up to these two guys. I was like hey guys, four of us, two of you, there's only six people allowed in. Would you like to come with us?

Speaker 3:

And they were like, yeah, we've been waiting here for we've got six people.

Speaker 1:

We're a group of six. He's like, oh, go, sit over there with them. I'm like okay.

Speaker 1:

So we ended up getting in, we ended up having this epic conversation with one of them, so one of them had to leave because he had a wedding the next day but we're talking to this guy about. He said he actually raised the question. He's like if you could do anything that you loved, what is it that you do? And I said I'm doing it. And he's like okay. And I said what about you? Because I was like curious. I'm like that's you want me to ask you?

Speaker 1:

because that's really about you and he's just like um, oh, if I could do anything, I'd be an artist and he was a scuba diver or something he was, um, yeah, he worked as a diver, you know, getting wrecks out of like boats that had been sunken and getting all the treasures out of there and stuff like that He'd done it for years, identified as a scuba diver or whatever they called, and he said to us, when he introduced himself, that I'm a scuba, I'm a diver.

Speaker 3:

I'm a diver.

Speaker 1:

And we were like, oh, that's really interesting, and we started talking about it and then he said if there was one thing that you would want to be doing, what is it? He's like I want to be an artist. And we were like he goes, all that I do in my spare time is I draw and I paint and I love it.

Speaker 3:

And he showed us massive paintings that were incredible.

Speaker 1:

Like he was talented right, and we were just Daniel and I were sitting there.

Speaker 3:

I just can't hear that thing and like not live my purpose in that moment, you know. It's just like I was put here in this moment to talk to you because you need something and I've got something that I can share with you that might help you.

Speaker 1:

And we were like we're all energy you bought us. I'm like you created us, we're having this conversation because you created us.

Speaker 1:

He's just like we're all energy. You bought us. I'm like you created us. Are you having this conversation? Because you created us? He's just like what the fuck is going on right now. And our friends are like what the heck is happening? And we're like bear with us, anyway. So we ended up talking to him and we said to him why not be an artist? And he's like because I can't get paid for that. And we's like because I can't get paid for that. And we were like why not yeah?

Speaker 1:

And he's like because I don't believe.

Speaker 3:

And I think of, like anyone that draws, I think of music artists. I think there is a deep, ingrained narrative around. It's so hard to make it, yeah, but I also think of the people that carry that story with them on the journey, and I just heard of a recent story of somebody that put that story down and then just got signed. You know, as a you know, and it's just incredible what happens when you decide to put your identity with a different intention in a direction. What can come of it a hundred percent.

Speaker 4:

I love stories like this and I think I've had. I'll give you an example. Uh, I had a client who had built three multi-million dollar companies and when I said to him why my dad was a successful businessman and I wanted to be a successful businessman like my dad okay, cool, but they'd gone into liquidation I was like, okay, so help me understand this. You need the business, but why do you hate the money so much? He's like I effing hate money because his dad was a successful businessman who wasn't around as a kid, and so he grew up with the belief that he hates money because money took him, or what took his dad away from him so it reinforced, it brought up his pain and his wounding that, um, he wasn't worthy of love.

Speaker 4:

And so money equals unworthiness, and it's so profound to see people who have built these what from the outside looks like it might look like a big empire, and you go, wow, you're so successful. And when I grow up I want to be like you because you've got all this money and a successful business and all this stuff right, but on the inside there's just such a mismatch because the whole entire life was built on a foundation of pain.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, instead of purpose. Yeah, and I think I don't know if you had the conversation with the guy about how he ended up being a diver, but I would be so curious about what led him down that path if it wasn't necessarily his soul's desire it's funny you mentioned money, because he's, he's.

Speaker 3:

He said it allows me to do the thing I love, because I only have to do diving four days a week isn't that interesting.

Speaker 4:

So I have a really close friend who I was chatting with her son and I think I don't know how old he was at the time, maybe about seven or eight and I was like oh, so what do you want to do when you grow up and he goes? I want to be a plumber.

Speaker 3:

I was like yeah, fast forward in five years time probably be like the job to be in and I was like, wow, that's cool.

Speaker 4:

And it was such a fast answer. I was like, wow, that's so cool. Can I ask, why do you want to be a plumber? And he goes?

Speaker 4:

because they earn lots of money I was like okay and then I said to him imagine that you had all the money that ever existed, then what would you do? And he just like unleashed this whole entire crazy detailed story about ships. He loves ships, he loves ships, he wants, and he's like I'd be in the Navy and I go, wow. But what was so profound for me in that moment is, at such a young age he'd already determined his future based on what he thought.

Speaker 3:

What success was yeah?

Speaker 4:

And that came off the back of the primary school that my kids were going to had their 100 year anniversary. They went around and basically interviewed people from the past and and current students and little kids. And there was a really cute thing that they were doing and they showed this video. There was this really cute thing they were doing. They were asking little kids, what do you want to be when you grow up? And I sat there and I watched intently and all these little kids were like I want to be a famous singer and I want to be this and I want to have a Maserati and I want to be a famous football player. And it dawned on me that not one single kid said I want to be happy.

Speaker 4:

And I went oh, my heart actually broke, that just gave me shivers.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, and I thought we're not getting this wrong as adults. We're just adults playing out what was so wrong as a kid, what we were taught Like that was so deeply ingrained in us. And that's what I love about our kids having that opportunity to go wow, mum had this stable career and she was you know all this, and she just threw it away because she felt called to follow her passion and calling to do what I'm doing now. Yeah, their dad gave up a military career, which you know is very respectable and very honourable, to become a tattoo artist. Yeah, and I love that our kids have that frame of reference, that they don't know anything else other than doing what you're called to do and what really makes a difference and shares and gives with the world. And I think if imagine how different a generation from now would be if our kids were growing up with those belief systems. But we've got to model it.

Speaker 4:

It's not okay for us to say you can follow your heart and you do whatever makes you happy while we're grinding. You know we were talking before about just trying to get across the finish line at christmas time and yeah stuff that, yeah, no way.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, that makes me think about, um, that grinding up until christmas, hanging on for that holiday break, where there's almost this illusion that you're not going to come back to your current reality, whereas you're really just taking a holiday from your problems. Yes, if that's what it is, yeah, that's right. Yeah, but I want to ask a question. When I was in the water the other day and I was doing this meditation and you know we've recently lost a friend of ours, so I've been obviously navigating some grief and different emotions and things like that and this thought dawned on me and I thought you know, I hear a lot on social media about just do what you're happy. You know, do what makes you happy, or follow your heart and make you happy. And this thought came to me and the thought was are we greedy with our happiness?

Speaker 4:

Yep, because, like I I said before, happiness coming from a low vibrational frequency could look like shooting up heroin honestly, yeah, I've seen that when someone goes oh, but having sex with this person who's not my partner, made me happy. No, you, you actually are misconstruing what happiness is, because when we're so over, identified with our flesh and we're being driven by desire, those desires are coming from our wounding, coming from that like why does someone go and cheat on someone who they supposedly love?

Speaker 4:

well, maybe because they're craving that attention, that validation maybe safe love doesn't feel safe for them, and so following your heart like it all sounds nice, doesn't it? It sounds like this world of rainbows.

Speaker 3:

A fantasy land, rainbows and butterflies.

Speaker 4:

But it's bullshit. Following our heart is really dangerous if we're not also doing the work to understand the intentions of our heart. Because if the intentions of my heart is just to hoard money, I'm going to accept clients who I know it's not in their best interest. I know they're not ready, but hey, I made a sale.

Speaker 3:

They're paying, aren't they? Yeah, I made a sale, guys.

Speaker 4:

And so I really feel like we're coming into this transition period of integrity where not only are we calling for more integrity in society and in business ethics and culture, but we're getting called towards more integrity with ourself. Like I can't continue living this life where I'm lying to myself every day, showing up and doing something. But I've got to tell you, thank God, there are people who just spreadsheets light their heart on fire.

Speaker 3:

Thank God for those people.

Speaker 4:

Thank God there are people who just get so much joy out of making a coffee for someone Because it's not me. If I had to make someone's coffee every day, it would be work. It would just be to pay the bills, but thankfully there are people who you just go.

Speaker 3:

wow for somebody else. It represents the start of lighting up someone's day. Yes, you know totally cake makers.

Speaker 4:

I've got a friend who makes cakes and cookies and I was having this conversation with her one day and she's like oh, she's so frustrated about her pricing and all this. And I said yeah, but that's because you think that you just make cakes.

Speaker 1:

I'm like so much more than that. You know what?

Speaker 4:

when, when a parent comes to you and they say my child loves roblox, and you pull on your gifting and create this manifestation of a Roblox masterpiece, that is the very moment that kid goes I am known, I am seen, I am loved. I am heard.

Speaker 1:

And it's an amazing memory that they cherish for the rest of their lives Forever.

Speaker 4:

So I'm like you're not just making cakes. That's not what you're doing here. I mean practically, in a very practical sense yeah, you're making a cake, but that's not what people are paying for. If people were just paying for a cake, they'd go to Woolies and buy a $7 sponge cake.

Speaker 1:

Yeah which people do which is no problem. But then there's the other side of that is, you're actually giving them an experience, yes, and you're seeing them, you're affording them that gift of going I see you. I know you intimately.

Speaker 4:

I know that this is what you love and that doesn't have to be about spending a lot of money. But I remember, like with my husband, once I brought home a pack of socks which sounds ridiculous, but it was a comment that he made on one really early date. He's like there's no better day on a work site than a day with new socks.

Speaker 3:

Fresh socks.

Speaker 4:

And he'd been having a really crappy time. And I was just in Big W for something completely unrelated and I walked past and just out of the corner of my eye I saw these like I don't know four or five pack of work socks and I had a bit of a giggle and I just picked them up, threw them in the trolley and didn't think anything of it and when I gave them to him he was like this is the best present I've ever had in my life, because I saw him I said I see you, I love you, I care for you if that small act of kindness yeah and what I feel like people don't understand is that our purpose is not for us.

Speaker 4:

Our gifting and our purpose was given to us so that it can work through us for everyone else not everyone, but for others. So how is the world a better place when you're living your purpose? That's the answer that's.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, I love that that's awesome you guys reminding me I had to go to vic roads this week because I let the boat registration expire and I was such a monotonous task of just filling in the paperwork for it. And I'm sitting there and the lady was cracking it at me because I hadn't filled it in yet and my appointment was there. And I'm like to you, this is just a piece of paper and a process and a transaction, but to me this means I get to go fishing with my daughter, it means I get to spend time with my dad. I'm like it represents so much more than this task of you just hurry up and fill in your paperwork. You know what I mean.

Speaker 3:

And it just goes to that point of like, when you see things as an exchange of purpose, there is so much more that that, what comes with that service or that thing, than what meets the eye. You know, I have a question, um. We're talking about fulfilling your purpose and, and I guess, going to where you're called and the commercialization of that you mentioned about, and we spoke about being greedy with happiness and things like that for somebody that's in a position of um looking to make that change, make that decision, but not making that from a place of wound. What is the best way to find your way when things don't seem clear? But you know there's something on the other side, love it.

Speaker 4:

I love this question.

Speaker 4:

I want people to understand that miracles of motion activated and to me it's a pretty big miracle to feel like you know who you are and why you're here like that's a pretty big miracle so it was one thing that I loved as a uni lecturer because I would mentor all these students and I was in a unique position where I got to teach our cohort in their first year, their second year and their third year. So I was really blessed that I got to form relationships and got to know them as individuals over those times. So I got to know their strengths, I got to know their interests. I got to know the subjects that they flunked because they were bored and it was not their thing and then I got to see them shine in other areas and there was a lot of pressure on them to get their placement right.

Speaker 4:

Like I've, got to choose the right place and I just had the worst placement experience ever, and now I don't even think I want to do this, and it was so fascinating having those conversations, because people think that if they have a positive experience it's a good thing and if they have a negative experience it's a bad thing.

Speaker 4:

But that good versus bad kind of duality is very worldly thinking. It's not a spiritual thing. In spirituality there's no such thing as good or bad. It is what is, is and it's happening for us. So when I look at that, I go just start stepping out. It's perfect. If you step out and go, that was the best thing ever. Amazing. That's perfect. If you step out and go, that was crap. I never want to do that again. That is awesome Because for every no, you're one step closer to your yes.

Speaker 4:

And for everything that lights you up. I think that what a gift that is, and so I kind of call it being the sniffer dog of life, the sniffer dog of the soul. I think that what a gift that is, and so I kind of call it being the sniffer dog of life, the sniffer dog of the soul.

Speaker 3:

I like that Because you're just sniffing your way in. I just had a picture of a beagle come to mind.

Speaker 4:

And I think about this sort of came to me as I was coming through customs at the Melbourne International Airport. It was actually after our Canada trip last year and I came back and I was like how interesting that this sniffer dog still sniffs the negative responses. He still sniffs all around all those bags and all around the things. That is just as important as when he sniffs and it's a positive. And so I was like man that's so powerful, like I have these massive spiritual revelations.

Speaker 3:

Most people are like this is dogs. To see Ash is like wow.

Speaker 4:

It's all like whoa, this is life-changing revelation right now. But that's how I kind of navigate life and go, don't sit still because if you're sitting still, then you, you have no chance but if you take a step and you go. Oh my gosh, I took that step and it was not as bad as I thought, take another step.

Speaker 4:

And if it's getting better and better and it's getting warmer and it feels expansive and it feels like it's energizing you, then that's a pretty good sign. But if you take a step, or even just thinking about taking a step, and you feel that, um, constriction energy in your body, like you feel heavy, your shoulders kind of close in your chest kind of just squeezes a little bit, that's when I say explore, that's not a no. And again, being led by the feelings, we've got to understand that those feelings can either be like a true spiritual attunement, let's say, versus a wounding, but if I think about having a conversation about I don't know, let's call it making a sale, even though that language doesn't resonate for me, but let's say I'm having a sales conversation and just the thought of having to have that conversation makes my body go. I can't possibly bring myself to ask for money for what I'm doing for someone. Well then, we've got to get curious about that going okay, what is coming up for me?

Speaker 4:

right now what if? What is the fear? And if there is genuinely no fear, it just doesn't feel right.

Speaker 4:

Then that for me is a no yeah but sometimes there will be things that come up and go what am I not seeing here? Because I know that what I've got is definitely going to change this person's life and I know that they're ready for it. So what is this bringing up in me? And it's about then sitting with and self-reflecting and going oh my gosh, I feel like they're going to think it's dirty because I just see them as money or something like that, like a self-worth or a confidence piece.

Speaker 3:

There's something in this for me. Yeah, this is a healing experience for me, this is revealing.

Speaker 4:

It's a diagnostic tool for what's in me that is holding me back from living my purpose, and so then the process for me is kind of about going all right, well, what is it that I need to let go of, or what is it that I need to come into agreement with? That is truth, that this isn't playing out. So that might look like, um, this person is not a sale. For me, this is an opportunity to say, like to literally transform someone's life. How would I feel if I had the cure for their cancer and didn't tell them? And then I go, oh, that feels disgusting, yeah, this is gonna sound really weird and I'm gonna fumble over my words and blah, blah, and then you just find your way through it. So it's using life, understanding that spirituality isn't about, you know, sitting up on top of a mountain with your eyes closed.

Speaker 3:

It's although that feels really good, though it feels really good, but here's the thing.

Speaker 4:

Something that I observed is that I used to do meditate, I used to do all of the sort of spiritual practices, but then I would come back into the density of my meat, suit and do life and go. I'm just as dysfunctional, I'm just as off path, I'm still just the flawed me, whereas when I actually started to understand that it wasn't, spirituality, wasn't about escaping the realities of my earthly body and being, it was about integrating with it and then having that integration and connection to lead my way and to simply sit as that observer and respond to what was coming up.

Speaker 3:

That, for me, is by far that's what being a sniffer dog of life is yeah, for me there's so much in curiosity in that it's uh, yeah, absolutely, what do you think kills the curiosity?

Speaker 4:

fear, fear, yeah, yeah fear and also like we're talking intergenerational patterns and programs like as, as you know, like I mentioned before, in the practitioner, therapist, coach space, um, there is a real mindset which I feel comes from a really big background of spirit, of religious trauma, and that, um, almost like you have to be a saint with nothing but the clothes on your back and you're just called to help and give and serve and all of this stuff, except it's actually coming from a place of I need to do this for free, so that then I'm a good person and I really grappled with this. I was really fortunate that when I started seeing clients inside of my business, I still had a job, so I didn't need to make money in my business to pay my bills. I didn't have that financial burden or pressure, and so it was a healing journey for me to go through this and go okay, how do I feel about charging for this work? How do I feel about charging that amount, charging that amount, and it was sort of like this real diagnostic process for me, anyway, where it kind of landed is.

Speaker 4:

In my time you use the word contemplation, my favorite word on the planet. In my time of contemplation, I had this revelation. Revelation that money is the currency of the world. So I can't eat, I don't have shelter, I can't give and gift to others if I don't have money. But faith is the currency of the spiritual realm. I can't take my money with me when I die.

Speaker 4:

To my spirit, money is pointless, but to my flesh, money is the vehicle and the vessel through which my spirit can impact humanity. And so do you ask me if I want to earn a shit ton of money? The answer is yes but it's not because I care. I mean, you can see my little car window there. It's like I I just don't care for stuff, because I think what's the point when?

Speaker 1:

I die yeah there's a like, there's this thing that I keep hearing is like money needs to be in the hands of good-hearted people to make a difference and to circle back. I love this topic of money because it's self-worth. It's really what it is. It's like I've been on a big money journey in the last couple of years and it all comes back to self, like when you talked about charging for your worth as charging for your work. It's like I've been sitting in these I don't know what they're called nuances, maybe where I'm like I can charge for this and I can make a difference. Yes, I can be a good person and have money. Yeah, it's like those two are still available to me. A hundred percent Do you?

Speaker 4:

know, what I mean Absolutely, and I think the availabilities for people we're so closed off on.

Speaker 1:

oh, but if I have that, I can't have this. Yeah, it's like what. If the question is or the answer is you can have that, you can have both. Yeah, what if the question is or the answer is you can have that, you can have both, yeah you can be a good person and have money.

Speaker 4:

Yep, you can charge because you're not weaponizing the money. Yeah, and this is so. I had a vision a few years ago of redistribution of wealth. Except it was a weird one, because in our society, redistribution of wealth means taking money from the rich and giving it to the poor. Except, you've got to understand again, like from this energetic and spiritual perspective, people who have found themselves in that position in life of, maybe, homelessness or poor. It's not necessarily their fault that they got there, but if they stay there, it means they've come into agreement with the frequency yeah, they feel helpless, they feel powerless.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, and unfortunately there are the systems of the world perpetuate and enable that. Yes, and so what I saw was not about taking money from the rich and giving it to the poor, like in in the traditional sense of charities and all that sort of stuff. What I saw is that I was being raised up to work with the wealthy so that their wealth went from a disconnection from their purpose and about proving their worth and proving and collecting all of the worldly stuff that doesn't actually tick the happy box.

Speaker 4:

It gives them the little bit of dopamine makes them look like a star, but they're still dead inside. To then being able to work with these people help them to really come home to the truth of who they are, to their soul. They don't have to give up their wealth, but what will happen is that when more people are connected to their purpose and they're accumulating these huge amounts of wealth, the good that they will do for humanity with that wealth will change the world yeah because much more than just if you took their money and gave it to the people yeah, because I think there's that that thing of like taking their money.

Speaker 1:

It's like money is available to everybody yeah and it doesn't need to be taken from somebody in order to give to somebody else. It can be transferred in a way that it's not it's available to everybody. Do you know what I mean? Like in the sense of like, it's always. It's an energy, absolutely. It's all going to things and people that are calling it in.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, totally and this is something again like I've had to sit with this because I have a real heart for serving people. But, like I was just saying, I've been being raised up to serve at this higher level but there's a part of me that feels like how do I serve at that level without dropping the people who I have served? And that's why, like I could, I don't gatekeep information like we're up to episode 86 of our podcast that we have consistently put out every single week. If someone just started at episode one and worked their way through, they are having breakthroughs and healing in every aspect of life and it hasn't cost them a cent, apart from a transaction of their time. However, you've got other people who don't have the time to sit there and listen to 86 episodes and who have the money to be able to go all right, condense it down and give it all to me in an hour.

Speaker 4:

I'm going to tell you what I need, and you just need the need.

Speaker 3:

Give me the highlight reel Right, exactly.

Speaker 4:

And so this has been. The really cool thing has been every time. Have you ever read 10x is easier than 2x?

Speaker 4:

No oh my gosh Everyone listening to this go and read that book. If you are wanting to know to this, go and read that book. If you are wanting to know purpose, go and read that book. But every time I've cut off an 80 and stepped further into my 20, I've I haven't just cut it off, I've, like um, handed it over to another custodian so I don't live, deliver our programs anymore. That's all my ip is packaged up in courses, but it's not just self-paced. We still have a whole team of people who I call client success specialists. They're humans who have a heart to love others and they come around everyone who does the courses right. But then for me to work up here, I had a huge fear about even offering that and putting that out to the world because I was scared that people would say that I was money hungry. Because people like it's a six figure investment for intensive one-on-one work for a year. But that diagnosed something even in me in going, because it's the business that is invoicing that six figures per person, it's not me.

Speaker 3:

There was a disassociation there. It's a total disassociation.

Speaker 4:

And so because the business will do good with that money. The business will impact the world.

Speaker 4:

The business will do good with that money and I still feel so at peace with just being an employee, a partner of that business. I just get paid a wage. It doesn't matter if the business earns a billion dollars business, I just get paid a wage. It doesn't matter if the business earns a billion dollars, I still just get paid a wage. And that money is used for good, it's invested in programs, it's invested in human resources to just love on humanity.

Speaker 4:

And I don't give a crap about profit. I mean, profit's nice, but the profit that we have is the seed where it will produce fruits of healing. So that's been a really interesting thing even for me, to look at that journey of going. Oh no, I don't want to put that out there, I don't want to advertise that, because people might read it and people might think, oh, you're just chasing the money and all this sort of stuff, but then having to do my inner healing to be able to transcend that, might think, oh, you're, you're just chasing the money and all this sort of stuff, or but then having to do my inner healing to be able to transcend that but then also going, isn't that interesting. I would feel comfortable putting this offer out there and accepting this like financial transaction when it's coming from remind. But if it was me and I was just a sole trader and all I had was six clients, that you know had six figures yeah figures, I'd be like, oh my gosh, I don't want this money yeah

Speaker 3:

can I ask a question? Because this, this money topic, you know, keeps coming up and this, I guess, self-worth piece in that when, like, if I said it was five bucks, you'd probably have no issue in selling it out of you. But the minute you start moving the scale up and it's 500 grand, there's a disassociation that takes place. What is it in the figure? Doesn't matter what the amount is what is it on that scale that gets someone to go? That amount is uncomfortable or too much, because I think for different people it's at different levels. Yes, it is Like I think of me and my journey in the audio store, like we would frequently do. Transactions for $15,000, $20,000. Yeah, and that's comfortable for me. Yeah, leash, coming from a hair salon, their frequent transaction was around four to six hundred bucks, right, so there's, there's a number that's different, I think, depending on what industry and what you're familiar with can change. But what is it on the scale that gets you to a certain point that may, I guess, reveal where your healing is around money.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, it's an awesome question and it's actually something that I pitch to people when I'm speaking. Quite often. If this topic comes up and it's like I want you to imagine that you have a wallet or a purse and you've got five bucks in it and you're walking around the shop doing your grocery shopping. How often does your five bucks in your wallet cross your mind? Never. What about 50 bucks? If you had 50 bucks in your purse, how often are you thinking about that 50 bucks? How much does it consume your thoughts? It doesn't. You can get through your groceries and just think about what you need and get new power and go home. What if you had five grand in your wallet? What about if you had 50 grand you want? Where's the point where you start?

Speaker 3:

going oh yeah, yeah, I still got it checking, jumping when someone touches you on the back, thinking they're gonna exactly and it's, it's and I still got it checking getting really like psyched about it, jumping when someone touches you on the back, thinking they're going to Exactly.

Speaker 4:

And it's a really good question because it can come from our conditioning and our programming. But also we know about the nervous system that familiarity is and certainty, it feels safe. So it's unfamiliar for you to think about a 15 to 20K transaction, and so that brings up discomfort in your nervous system and we are wired to want to remove ourselves or move away from discomfort. So something that I find is um, when people will often have to go up slowly and gradually, it's why, like people who win the lottery, I think that the figures I just read it recently, it's something like 90 something percent have blown every cent within five years blows my fucking mind the frequency of having millions of dollars exists here, but the frequency of the person with it exists here, and they're a mismatch.

Speaker 4:

So they have to burn it and get rid of it so that they can come back to what feels safe and familiar. And so I find that, if people are wanting to, there are some kind of creative things that you can do. So one thing I would say is look at, you can just do it on Canva, but just imagine a screenshot of your bank account and find, just put a number there and just see how does that feel in my body.

Speaker 4:

Now it doesn't have to be real money, because all money is is a fake number and so you can sort of reality test and and look at the frequency of money and go okay. So I want to imagine that I've got 50 grand in the bank. How do I feel in my body? But it can go the other way as well, like it can go the other way where people hoard money and if they get below 50 grand. They're like I feel like I'm going to die and I'm not going to be okay and you're like you've got 50 grand You're going to be fine.

Speaker 1:

You're not going to struggle, have Christmas dinner. This is really. I've done lots of work with Amanda Francis and she calls it energetic minimums and energetic maximums. So when you're feeling into, let's say, a month of business and you're like, okay, what does 50K feel like to me for this month? And if it's like, no, I'm going to push it a little bit more. Okay, so what's 60K feel like? And then you get to your edge of your minimum and you go, yeah, that's it. And then you work on that and calling that in and and like energetically aligning with that number. And then, when you reach that number a few times, it's like, let's feel into what the next level is, and it could be even five grand, more than that yeah and then she talks about her, the minimums, how she's had people in her courses who, um, that their minimum would be.

Speaker 1:

Okay, I'm gonna, I'm gonna get an eviction notice, but I'm not gonna get evicted and that's their minimum. Yes, so they'll never go below. They're in agreement with that minimum. Yeah, so they'll they.

Speaker 4:

They can, they can go to a new edge, but they'll never go below that minimum yeah, it's, it's an awesome like oh my gosh, we could go so deep into quantum physics right now. But but it is that. It's exactly that. And um, the word agreement is a spiritual term so coming into agreement with something is like almost imagining that your soul has a contract and you know like if you're little and a kid and you cry and someone says oh, stop crying, or whatever, and you feel like you're unloved.

Speaker 4:

That might be the moment that you come into agreement of people don't love me. And so you then carry that agreement. It can't be any other way because that's the only way that your contract says you can live right. But the same thing happens with with money, like, for instance, a really weird agreement that people have is I, I always have enough like enough, as in like.

Speaker 4:

Just enough, yeah, yeah I always have what I need. Our needs are always met I'm like okay, great, yeah. But if any other opportunity that could push them above the level of their need came along, they would unconsciously block it out.

Speaker 1:

They would reject it, they would sabotage it Unless they're going into feeling, into the next level of what they want to.

Speaker 4:

Yes, if they're evolving, and so a really funny example, and this was part of my own story.

Speaker 3:

I was going to say so where do you go to get a new contract at? This is the work that I do.

Speaker 4:

Do you go to a lawyer to get these things, or literally the work that we do. We rewrite your sole contract. And so I had this really funny experience. My husband we were, we spent five weeks overseas earlier this year and, um, it was a trip of a lifetime. We knew it was gonna be a big investment of money for us to do it. And also my husband made it really clear eight months before the trip. He said there is no way you are to do any work on this trip like I forbid it.

Speaker 1:

Basically, not in those words, but that's kind of how I took it.

Speaker 4:

I was like, oh, wow, okay, I'm everything in my business, like there is nothing that happens in our business unless it's me. And so I sat down. I did the finances. I was like, okay, um, for the time that we were away and it was a bit of an awkward time as well, because we had Christmas and essentially I needed to fund my, my business, with no revenue for, let's say, four months, and I worked out that I needed 60 grand to make that possible just to keep the business to keep the business going.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, like to yeah that's before buying a cocktail on the holiday yeah, just to keep the business going and so like that was crazy money. We had not had any kind of month at 60k or anything like that. Anyway, in I did the figures, I had that in my mind. I was like, oh my gosh, we're screwed. Like how are we going to do that? Within week, I had an article that I'd contributed to I think I can't remember what publication it was and then I had a client who had like 250,000 people on Instagram share that she had just finished working with us. It changed her life. We invoiced 60 grand in a week. I love that 60 grand, just 60 grand and I was like we just invoiced 60k. What?

Speaker 4:

the heck. I've never, I haven't even had a 60k month before, and we just did 60k in a week. But we got just enough. We got just the amount that we needed to meet our needs, and that's what really started getting me thinking about. Okay, that's where we had to expand our vision and have a vision that required greater financial resource than we were currently calling in. Yeah, because I realized that if we didn't have a purpose for the money, we didn't need it, and if we don't- it wouldn't come get it.

Speaker 4:

And so, as soon as we started to expand our vision, all of a sudden like we've been having record month after record month after record month, and it feels so amazing because our team is expanding rapidly, our impact is expanding rapidly, the programs that we're putting out, the speaking gigs, and everything is just kind of on fire now because I had that one revelation of going I'm limiting our success and our progress purely because I don't need more, because my plans in the pipeline.

Speaker 3:

My vision isn't big big to meet it and it was it like, literally like flicking a switch from an opportunities perspective. Once you had changed your mind of different things started crazy.

Speaker 4:

I, I, um, I went up to Queensland and I actually went to attend a, a charity lunch for a purpose that feels close to my heart. So I flew up there, I did a workplace gig while I was there and then, just at the charity event, just in conversation with people, I landed at multiple speaking gigs and it was so weird.

Speaker 4:

It was one of those things where I was like, well, I don't really care, if I get it, I've got nothing to lose. And I threw a number out there thinking, oh, there's no way that's ridiculous. Who would pay me that amount to speak? And they're like okay, all right. I was like hang on a second. I almost wanted to backtrack and take it back and go. It's just joking or something like that.

Speaker 3:

No, shut up Ash.

Speaker 4:

And I was like wow, and you was like wow, and you're like fuck, I should have told you more, yeah, yeah, and so I find that interesting. Like, where is that limit where other people's feedback starts to go?

Speaker 1:

you're not worth that or that's too expensive, that's too much, and how do we navigate that? I also think the language of like when, because you know obviously that time you were like okay, what if? And. I think we can be limited in our language to go like, oh, I'm dreaming or I can't, I can't. Whereas if you change the question to what? If that just opens up another door, yeah, another new dimension for you yeah where things are.

Speaker 1:

You know they actually do start coming to you because you've asked the what if question, not the I can't question.

Speaker 4:

And I use, imagine or I wonder. I use it with my kids all the time and I think, just unconsciously. As parents, how often do we squash our kids' dreams or fantasies because they seem unrealistic? When our kids are the ones who have the thinnest veil between earth and heaven. They're so spiritually attuned, the most connected they'll ever be to the truth of who they are, and yet we try and rationalise it and smack it out.

Speaker 3:

Pull all these layers over the top.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, oh, don't be silly, darling. Yeah, don't you know?

Speaker 4:

only so few people ever make it as a singer Like those kinds of things oh, go and get a responsible job, and you just go. Oh, okay, you've got to balance responsibility. The thing for me is actually this is something that came to my heart before is that I didn't just wake up one day and go, I'm going to quit my career and I'm going to start a company. That's not what happened. For some people, that's their story and it works out. For other people, that's their story and it ends in tragedy for their family.

Speaker 1:

But also that's what it looks like from the outside.

Speaker 4:

It might look like that from the outside. But I had a period of time like I was seeing clients already for a couple of years. But I had a period, a transition period of about six to eight months where I used to leave in my work. I built it slowly on the side so that it was already at a level where I had some proof of principle.

Speaker 4:

I had some like it was sustainable by the time. Don't get me wrong the closer that I got to being prepared, the more I was struggling to show up for the job that didn't light me up anymore, but I was there out of responsibility, knowing that we can bring some wisdom to our purpose as well.

Speaker 3:

so Ash, sorry, can I interrupt? Yes, did you design the transition or did the transition design it for you and was? Was it? Yeah, was it? I'm taking steps in this direction? Or is it the universe had already decided this for you and it would just started moving you along?

Speaker 4:

yeah, well, it's both. It's both because I had to come into agreement with the plans and, will you know, you might say universe, source, god, whatever I use the word, god. The really interesting thing for me is that I had dug my heels in for ages. I was like I did 10 years of uni for this career. I'm on 70 and a half percent super like. You really want me to give that up come on, that's pretty pretty cushy right but I had um, so I had long service leave.

Speaker 4:

I had all this sick leave built up. I had so many years of so much, so many months of leave and so I kind of went all right, I'll dip my toe in, I will make you a deal this is me cutting a deal with God or the universe right, and I go, I will use all my leave and I will go all in on this business and if it doesn't work, I'll come back to my job. I've still got a job to come back to anyway, the backup plan, backup plan.

Speaker 1:

The backup plan Yep the worst case scenario.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, you love using that. You're living your worst case scenario.

Speaker 4:

It's true. Yeah, right, it was so funny. Anyway, on this Sunday evening I didn't often go to the Sunday evening services at the church that we attend, but this, whatever reason, I went there this Sunday and he started preaching and he goes. There is someone in this room who is not seeing signs and wonders in their life because they refuse to let go of their plan b, and I just felt like talking to me. He sat down in my chair and I was like oh my gosh, can you see me?

Speaker 1:

Is he looking at me?

Speaker 4:

And then he's like looking for that body language person, yeah, and I was just like, oh, I felt so convicted, I felt like I had just been stuck up in the sky like a big giant orb or something and gone. Look at her. Anyway.

Speaker 4:

I am not even joking. Two days later, I got made redundant and I just felt like the universe was going. There is no plan B. This is what you're doing. You're going all in. It's going to work, and I can't tell you how many stories I have in my life of that, of me being the one doubting and then just going. Well, we can do this the easy way or the fast way.

Speaker 1:

But do you think it was that your soul actually came into agreement and you just hadn't caught up yet?

Speaker 4:

Absolutely, absolutely, and I think so the case is not obvious. I'm very ADHD.

Speaker 4:

But I think that and my son's like like got multiple diagnoses and stuff as well and he is quite responsive as well, like very spiritually aware, and I feel that people I mean most entrepreneurs will resonate with ADHD or be diagnosed with ADHD and they are very responsive to these like crazy out there ideas or have these visions that are visionaries and that to me is that thin veil between earth and heavenly realms. Yeah, so I look at that and go, man, if you just learned how to discern, if you just learned how to tweak that and tune that gift and follow your nose and stop resisting.

Speaker 4:

It makes no sense, yes, even have faith yes, faith, even when it makes no sense and even when, like, it's very easy to have faith when 99 agree with you and one person doesn't that's easy to have faith.

Speaker 3:

Very hard to have faith when it's the other way around, and you're the one and you're like guys.

Speaker 4:

I know this makes no sense, I know that this could be such a gamble, but I feel with every cell of my body and I've contemplated it, I have prayed into it, I've done my spiritual due diligence and I feel that this is what I'm being called to do.

Speaker 3:

And the outcome is phenomenal I love that term spiritual due diligence.

Speaker 4:

It's so, so crazy and like in my marriage, you've got to understand, like, how much. I came home from Nissi and said to my husband I'm like I want to join K2. I didn't even have a business. And he's like nah too much money.

Speaker 3:

How much is it? This much no. That's a holiday?

Speaker 4:

No, it was a house deposit for our next property and he's like he had a lot of resistance and it took a few days and then he ended up coming to me and he goes. You know, the one thing I know about you is that when you feel something and you really believe it and you go after it, you make magic happen and he goes. Don't let me be the thing that stops you. And I just was like wow To have someone in my corner who doesn't always necessarily understand because he's not getting the visions.

Speaker 4:

It's easy for me, because I'm the one who's getting these downloads and these visions and this calling, but he doesn't hear it. So he's got to be like madly praying for me that I'm hearing correctly. Are you sure that's what they said? Are you sure that's what they showed you? Yeah, it is, but I mean as a couple in business, far out, when it may not be a shared vision but the faith that you have to have in each other.

Speaker 1:

I was just about to say I feel like this is us. Yeah, Like what you spoke about with your marriage. It's like I have the visions and I'm like, come on, come on, and you're like, but can we just be sure? Can you tell me?

Speaker 3:

Yeah, and I think, like, like leash, being a big visionary, for me and I think this is where our strengths lie is in the how for me is like, if, if the vision is made visual for me and I can see it, then the how is so much clearer and I can step into my strengths of moving towards it. But I, I and I say this analogy to leash all the time I'm like, the more you bring to it and the more you change, the foggier the picture for me and the harder it is for me to find my way towards the vision, because it's not, it's not clear. Yeah, you know, I think there's been, you know, numerous times on this journey for us where you know we might stray from the vision or lose our way, or you know, then, what's really ironic Finding our way, yeah, what do you call it Finding?

Speaker 1:

our way Finding our way.

Speaker 4:

So finding for you and losing for you.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, but what's really interesting, if you look at our direction and look at our initial plan, we've just come back to where we always were meant to be.

Speaker 1:

yeah, you know, yeah finding our way, lost our way with little parts of the journey that have created it to be bigger.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, yeah, because there was a period of time where we went off and wanted to do something and I remember getting an email from Taki Moore that's a great coach and the title of it resonated was Wearing Someone Else's Undies and I was like, wow, are you sitting in a business model that you're copying because you think the fruits of it are good, but it's not your true calling or your true purpose. You know, and what I've really loved about this podcast today is talking about you know, following your purpose, finding your way. I think, as a male with kids, there's a big money piece and provider that is in it for me that I know that that would be present for a lot of males. But I love the way that you've articulated your journey of following your purpose and demonstrating and showing the commercial results of that. You know, a 60 K week, for instance, is like did you ever have do that in your job?

Speaker 4:

No yeah.

Speaker 3:

You know, it's so.

Speaker 4:

It's so true, isn't it? And I think as well, no, yeah, I had to work for a long time, for months, to have that 60Ks. Yeah.

Speaker 3:

Yeah.

Speaker 4:

It's so true, isn't it and I think as well really important, like, obviously, we connected through our K2 journey, where it is valuable and potentially dangerous when it comes to purpose and I say that with caution because I don't want people to hear what I'm not saying there's so much value in it, it's so helpful. Except for people who don't have a strong sense of self.

Speaker 4:

They fall into a high risk category of taking on other people's visions for what they should be doing with their life or their business, and I have done so and this is one of my gifts and one of my strengths.

Speaker 4:

It's I've done so many marketing courses. I've done so many business coaching programs. I've done so much because I have a hunger to learn, but I also have a very, very strong discerning spirit in going. That was interesting, but it's not for me. And I think, over the years of having so many masterminds and having people all speak life and ideas into my life and my business, understanding that they're only giving suggestions from a very externalized perspective, based on the limited information and wisdom and knowledge that they have of my circumstance, from their expertise, and I think, something that was a really big game changer for me, even in business, like hiring, I used to hire based on competence and based on skill set and the role that needed to be done, whereas now I find the right person and I understand what is their purpose, what's their zone of genius, because there are weird people out there who really love systemising inboxes and love spreadsheets and all that sort of stuff.

Speaker 4:

Right, I love you. I mean weird in a good way.

Speaker 3:

I was going to say weird for me.

Speaker 4:

We need those people, we need you, we love you, we honour you, we need those people, we need you, we love you, we honour you. And I think the thing that really has come to light for me is that as we dive deeper and lean harder into our spiritual journey, and again people imagine something, they imagine the word spirituality working in a certain way.

Speaker 4:

But when you delete that imagination and come into an understanding that spirituality is that integrated living and mind, body and spirit in your daily life, um that, yeah, we are part of a shared universal consciousness and if what we are doing is truly purpose driven and these people are truly called to partner with me like an army on that purpose, they share that vision, not mine. It's not up to me to try and draw the vision on a piece of paper and get them to understand it and execute it, then get annoyed because they didn't get it right. It's on me to take them deeper into their own connection with the vision that's coming from there, so that when they produce stuff, I'm like you've captured it in a way that I could not have even imagined.

Speaker 4:

like you have taken the essence of that vision and put it into the world that I'm seeing for the first time, because we have a lot of trust. I just trust them to do what their gifting is, and I see it and go oh my gosh, yes, that hit me in the soul, you got it you got it and I didn't even have to explain it to you.

Speaker 4:

I just had to take you deeper in understanding how we're here to serve humanity and connect you to that vision. And that, for me, is like man, it's depth to the ego, because I'm not the most important person in my business. I had to let go of that and go. Oh, this isn't my business and it's not my vision, it's not my purpose, it's this is what I'm feeling called to, or how I'm feeling called to serve. And now it's like this unconscious, energetic calling in of the army.

Speaker 3:

Who's joining me To expand that expression. To expand the expression, yeah.

Speaker 4:

And that's just, and even with our clients. I mean, our clients are just the people who are almost like the interns, learning how to understand themselves more and connect to that universal consciousness of truth to break off all the lies and clean up all the intergenerational lines and break off trauma and all that sort of stuff so yeah like when you say we're gonna have a conversation about this and I start with oh, there's lots of layers to this. There really is. Yeah, we've hardly scratched, yeah yeah well, thank you so so much.

Speaker 3:

This has been awesome.

Speaker 1:

This has been so good.

Speaker 4:

Hopefully we didn't lose anyone, sorry guys. Yeah, we go deep.

Speaker 1:

No, they're in. They're here because they love to go deep. Yeah.

Speaker 3:

Amazing.

Speaker 1:

Thank you for being here and thank you for offering your time and your knowledge and your wisdom and all the things.

Speaker 4:

Thanks for having me.

Speaker 3:

Thanks, Ash.

Speaker 4:

We could talk about this all day.

Speaker 1:

I love it, thank you. I'm just going to wrap it up because it's 11.30.

Speaker 4:

Oh, amazing and you need to go at 11. Oh, at 11 you needed to go home.